tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8325689172670114306.post75415998771034611..comments2023-09-03T09:17:43.099+01:00Comments on Joelociraptor: Jesus the snakeAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15161668120838881462noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8325689172670114306.post-48494967319554558152010-06-15T21:09:00.482+01:002010-06-15T21:09:00.482+01:00im not altogether sure that john the baptist himse...im not altogether sure that john the baptist himself was using the jewish categories to explain jesus arrival (though he might have). the reason im saying this is that john does not use this language in all four gospels, and it makes sense for the author of john to have developed the tradition in this way<br /><br />i agree the language of the passover lamb is found very much in revelation which maybe suggests some connection between the author of revelation and the author of johns gospel (the books do themselves both claim to be written by the same john)<br /><br />thanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8325689172670114306.post-71347111041284539032010-06-15T20:58:11.991+01:002010-06-15T20:58:11.991+01:00I'm sure John the Baptist (the speaker of thos...I'm sure John the Baptist (the speaker of those words) was using the Jewish culture and knowledge of the time to explain Jesus' arrival but Jesus is named the Passover Lamb through Paul's epistles also, to much more mature Christians. I'm also reminded of the Lamb in Revelation 5, looking as if slain (which it is mentioned as in Isaiah also). <br /><br />If God's speaking through prophets goes along with the Passover Lamb idea and the vision John is given himself has it in, I'm pretty convinced that it was a planned foreshadow, courtesy of God Himself.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15161668120838881462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8325689172670114306.post-17402065117604886902010-06-15T20:45:12.043+01:002010-06-15T20:45:12.043+01:00thanks for the reply joel
i think with this examp...thanks for the reply joel<br /><br />i think with this example of the passover lamb id say that the author of johns gospel is using the imagery of the passover event to make sense of early christians experience of salvation. i dont think this takes away from the power of the message but allows us a richer understanding of how early christians tried to make sense of their faith using the traditions available to them<br /><br />thanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8325689172670114306.post-60381124313418810842010-06-15T20:31:49.966+01:002010-06-15T20:31:49.966+01:00Thanks for your interesting comment, Anonymous, bu...Thanks for your interesting comment, Anonymous, but I still strongly believe that the OT foreshadows the NT. My favourite example, of which there are quite a few in my opinion, is that of the Passover Lamb.<br /><br />We see the blood of a lamb cause the angel of death to pass over the Isrealites in Exodus 11-12, in particular 12:13. God says when He sees the blood, He will pass over them. In the same way, Jesus is our Passover Lamb (as he is named many times, first in John 1:29) as when God sees the blood that Jesus shed for us, He will pass over.<br /><br />The whole Bible is a big picture that is linked into eachother through prophecy, reference and foreshadow and of course, God Himself. See God's Big Picture by Vaughan Roberts (IVP) for more on that, it's a great book!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15161668120838881462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8325689172670114306.post-25948273517936288062010-06-15T20:17:45.292+01:002010-06-15T20:17:45.292+01:00i dont think that the old testament is foreshadowi...i dont think that the old testament is foreshadowing the new testament. i think the author of johns gospel is using old testament imagery to say something about jesus. reading it this way gives us a richer understanding of the authors faith, and definitely contributes to what youre saying here<br /><br />thanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8325689172670114306.post-30450316776455040272010-06-06T21:23:01.468+01:002010-06-06T21:23:01.468+01:00To be fair, Andy Miller talked on it this morning ...To be fair, Andy Miller talked on it this morning at TCM! But nevertheless, there is so much intertwining of them both, it's amazing!<br />Thanks for the comment.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15161668120838881462noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8325689172670114306.post-59460325602958132192010-06-06T20:35:08.115+01:002010-06-06T20:35:08.115+01:00Wow, I've never thought about it that way befo...Wow, I've never thought about it that way before. Great post JoelAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07548625981594166556noreply@blogger.com